north korea: a land where punishments are cruel, cool, and unusual

In 1996, [Prisoner] was handcuffed, blindfolded and taken by car to an underground interrogation and detention facility where he was held for some six or seven months. In the course of his interrogations, [Prisoner] was informed of the reasons for his father’s initial detention at Camp 14: two of his father’s brothers had fled to South Korea. [Prisoner]’s detention in the punishment cells at the Camp was related to an apparent escape attempt or plan by his mother and older brother. [Prisoner] was tortured repeatedly—being suspended over a fire, burning his backside, while pierced in the folds of his stomach to stop his squirming from the flames at his back—to confess details of his mother’s and brother’s escape plot

[Prisoner] was later assigned to work in a sewing machine repair shop at a large garment factory within the camp where he estimated that some 2,000 prisoners, mostly young women, produced military uniforms. At one point, [Prisoner] dropped a sewing machine base he was carrying to the second floor of the factory. In punishment for damaging the machine, the guards cut off the tip of his middle finger at the first knuckle.

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Accused of deliberately infiltrating the security service, [Prisoner 2] was forced to kneel for long periods with a wooden bar placed behind and between his knees and calves. He was suspended by his handcuffed wrists from his prison-cell bars, and he was submerged up to his waist for long periods in tanks filled with cold water.

In [Prisoner 2]’s section of Camp 14, guards executed some twenty-five prisoners. In one execution, a prisoner by the name of Kim Chul-min was executed for collecting, without authorization, ripe chestnuts that had fallen to the ground from a tree at the mine entrance. Another hunger-crazed prisoner, Kal Li-yong, died after having his mouth smashed by a feces-covered stick for having stolen a leather whip, which he soaked in water and then ate the softened leather.

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While [Prisoner 3]’s was a family village, sexual contact between men and women was not allowed, as it was thought this could result in another generation of counter-revolutionaries. Such contact did occur, but, with two exceptions in ten years, all pregnancies were forcibly aborted. The involved men would be physically punished and the women would be humiliated by being compelled to recount their sexual encounters to the entire village.

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Both areas within Yodok where [Prisoners] were imprisoned—Knup-ri and Daesuk-ri—had public executions by hanging, shootings, and sometimes worse for prisoners who had tried to escape or who had been caught “stealing” food. [Prisoner 4] witnessed one public killing of an attempted escapee, a Mr. Hahn Seungchul, who was tied and dragged behind a car in front of the assembled prisoners until dead, after which time the other prisoners were required to pass by and place their hands on his bloodied corpse.

daaaaaaaamn

i wish obama had the guts to just turn south korea into an island

what the fuck does north korea have that is important enough to spare from atomic bombs

tomoko kuroki wrote:i wish obama had the guts to just turn south korea into an island

what the fuck does north korea have that is important enough to spare from atomic bombs

nuclear fallout would likely spread over china, south korea or japan, and we would have a catastrophe of unbelievable proportions

c. robin, muffin man wrote:

tomoko kuroki wrote:i wish obama had the guts to just turn south korea into an island

what the fuck does north korea have that is important enough to spare from atomic bombs

nuclear fallout would likely spread over china, south korea or japan, and we would have a catastrophe of unbelievable proportions

then use another WMD, whatever it takes to decimate north korea

using WMDs would not be decisive most likely and in the time it would take to destroy the major parts of north korea they would have lobbed enough shells in the general direction of seoul to cause at least a couple thousand deaths and billions in property damage and induce a mass panic and retreat

you'd have to be literally starving to eat a leather whip

c. robin, muffin man wrote:using WMDs would not be decisive most likely and in the time it would take to destroy the major parts of north korea they would have lobbed enough shells in the general direction of seoul to cause at least a couple thousand deaths and billions in property damage and induce a mass panic and retreat

not if a shit ton were launched at the same time

start at their bases, then go for their civilian centers

despite the fact that they are militarily outdated and probably have a nonexistent weapon interception or detection system, don't you think they would probably notice if we were launching a fucktillion WMDs at them?

c. robin, muffin man wrote:despite the fact that they are militarily outdated and probably have a nonexistent weapon interception or detection system, don't you think they would probably notice if we were launching a fucktillion WMDs at them?

not if their bases and defense facilities were wiped out in a spy sabotage
it isn't that hard

strike them when they least expect it

once they cant defend themselves, go full out, going at the cities all the way to the villages

who is going to defend them? the chinese? they are sick of them too. the russians? they have vladivostok, so they wouldnt care as long as nothing happens to their areas

"spy sabotage"
motherfucker it is next to impossible to actually get into north korea, much less not break some unspoken law and get sentenced to 5 years in a labor camp how do you think we're gonna pull that off

"strike them when they least expect it"
there are literally three whole ways into north korea: go from china, which won't happen, go from south korea, in which case you have to cross the DMZ, or land amphibiously, none of which are in the slightest bit subtle and they probably have plans for every one

"who is going to defend them? the chinese?"
the chinese don't give a fuck about north korea as a state but they like the buffer area so they'd probably if nothing else keep them around for that simple purpose

south korea also does not want to be unified with the north right now

"motherfucker it is next to impossible to actually get into north korea, much less not break some unspoken law and get sentenced to 5 years in a labor camp how do you think we're gonna pull that off"

like the CIA doesnt know how to pull off impossible shit

"there are literally three whole ways into north korea: go from china, which won't happen, go from south korea, in which case you have to cross the DMZ, or land amphibiously, none of which are in the slightest bit subtle and they probably have plans for every one"

i dont mean a land invasion. doesnt the US still have biological wmds or something

"the chinese don't give a fuck about north korea as a state but they like the buffer area so they'd probably if nothing else keep them around for that simple purpose"

that "buffer area" is telling the chinese that they are ready to destroy the whole region any second, why the fuck would the chinese keep around the nation that ruins stability over there

"like the CIA doesnt know how to pull off impossible shit"
they aren't doing so hot in recent days

also biological weapons and warfare are illegal under the biological weapons convention and we signed and ratified it so even if we had them we couldn't use them

"that "buffer area" is telling the chinese that they are ready to destroy the whole region any second, why the fuck would the chinese keep around the nation that ruins stability over there"
because they don't want south korea, an ally of the united states and the west in general, right next to them

it's kind of like what was the case with the cuban missile crisis: america didn't want those weapons right next to them and neither does china

we also signed this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_Weapons_Convention
so we can't develop chemical weaponry and have to destroy what we've got

you do realize launching bombs at north Korea would kill all the civilians as well right?

well the civilians are by and large indoctrinated to the point where they're pretty much irreversibly damaged and probably would rather die for the kims and at least believe they died for something than suffer torture at the hands of north korea, die of starvation that woulkd result, get shot by the invading force, get killed by whatever weapons they may employ, etc

so i dunno if killing most of the north korean population would actually turn out to be a huge downside

also if we did it would greatly ease the absolutely biblical disaster that would happen upon reunification of the koreas -- can you imagine a full strength north korea, with its 24 million starving people -- suddenly becoming a part of the south? would be a complete and absolute catastrophe and would likely collapse the entire south along with the destruction of the north

hahhahaha its this shit again with tomoko being too dumb to value human life you know somethings wrong when RT "school shootings dont matter" City is telling you why attacking NK is a dumb idea but then he goes into justifying killing civilians

why do only white people shoot up schools?

Freedom Paladin wrote:hahhahaha its this shit again with tomoko being too dumb to value human life you know somethings wrong when RT "school shootings dont matter" City is telling you why attacking NK is a dumb idea but then he goes into justifying killing civilians

well it wouldn't fucking matter whether or not we kill them because a lot of them would end up dying anyways come reuniting

south korea doesn't have the infrastructure or money to rebuild the north or handle its citizens should they be reintegrated into one gigantic korea; it'd be pretty much mass famine and death

https://imgur.com/gallery/hSgGO

c. robin, muffin man wrote:well the civilians are by and large indoctrinated to the point where they're pretty much irreversibly damaged and probably would rather die for the kims and at least believe they died for something than suffer torture at the hands of north korea, die of starvation that woulkd result, get shot by the invading force, get killed by whatever weapons they may employ, etc

From what I've heard, that's not entirely true, only some of the people that live in the deep areas of North Korea are that indoctrinated. You don't solve a hostage situation by killing the hostages along with the captors.

depends on the area

pyongyang's probably pretty much guaranteed to be an absolute shitfest

hmmmm, who would win

1 million stupid, uneducated and skinny soldiers vs 20+ million angry civilians

the civilians seem pretty content with getting treated like shit, so if that's what they want, that's what they get