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flademcgay wrote:

tomoko-chan wrote:
get up and work, learn how the world works otherwise youll get laughed at and be replaced by a robot whose programmed to be smarter than you

-unamerican conspiracy theorist

she has a point

moor wrote:robots arent advanced enough to do farmwork

From the Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Technology Review, circa 2007

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/408225/robotic-farmer/

I'm sure there have been advances in that in the last 8 years.

yeah well it won't be as practical as hiring immigrants who work for nearly nothing for awhile

moor wrote:yeah well it won't be as practical as hiring immigrants who work for nearly nothing for awhile

"Nearly nothing" is still more money than "nothing", an important principle of business.

yes but you have to also consider that robotic farmers probably are not cheap and many people will be unable to afford the initial costs

marissa wrote:

moor wrote:robots arent advanced enough to do farmwork

From the Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Technology Review, circa 2007

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/408225/robotic-farmer/

I'm sure there have been advances in that in the last 8 years.

robots will not be replacing skilled labor any time soon based on the research i did for a research report and what i know from hobbyist robotics work

viubladan wrote:yes but you have to also consider that robotic farmers probably are not cheap and many people will be unable to afford the initial costs

Manufacturing and maintenance won't be cheap initially, so therefore trying to find cheaper materials and energy sources will be the next step in automated workers.

one of the insurmountable barriers here is the fact that the cost to manufacture those robots is pretty steep and you cant just make the materials themselves significantly cheaper

oaky wrote:

marissa wrote:

moor wrote:robots arent advanced enough to do farmwork

From the Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Technology Review, circa 2007

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/408225/robotic-farmer/

I'm sure there have been advances in that in the last 8 years.

robots will not be replacing skilled labor any time soon based on the research i did for a research report and what i know from hobbyist robotics work

This isn't a research report or words from hobbyists, these are words from leaders in the field of artificial intelligence at MIT

marissa wrote:

oaky wrote:

marissa wrote:

moor wrote:robots arent advanced enough to do farmwork

From the Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Technology Review, circa 2007

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/408225/robotic-farmer/

I'm sure there have been advances in that in the last 8 years.

robots will not be replacing skilled labor any time soon based on the research i did for a research report and what i know from hobbyist robotics work

This isn't a research report or words from hobbyists, these are words from leaders in the field of artificial intelligence at MIT

my research sources were from robotics experts like those from mit

marissa wrote:

viubladan wrote:yes but you have to also consider that robotic farmers probably are not cheap and many people will be unable to afford the initial costs

Manufacturing and maintenance won't be cheap initially, so therefore trying to find cheaper materials and energy sources will be the next step in automated workers.

you seem to think that there is a way to mass produce the things required to build a robotic farmer in a way that is also cheap and also efficient enough to support the demand

oaky wrote:one of the insurmountable barriers here is the fact that the cost to manufacture those robots is pretty steep and you cant just make the materials themselves significantly cheaper

Modify them at the molecular level. Scientists, for example, are studying cheap things like spider silk to make material stronger than even Kevlar

viubladan wrote:

marissa wrote:

viubladan wrote:yes but you have to also consider that robotic farmers probably are not cheap and many people will be unable to afford the initial costs

Manufacturing and maintenance won't be cheap initially, so therefore trying to find cheaper materials and energy sources will be the next step in automated workers.

you seem to think that there is a way to mass produce the things required to build a robotic farmer in a way that is also cheap and also efficient enough to support the demand

I'm not an expert in nanoscience or material science, but I'm sure one of the topics in those fields is cheap and easy production of durable materials.

“To see robots as a threat to jobs is mistaken”, explains Philippe Coiffet of the French National Center for Scientific Research, arguing in favor of robotic integration and noting that “[t]he countries with the most robots are also the ones with [the] lowest unemployment” (Ichbiah 247). Indeed, the competitive edge from robots provided to French automotive manufacturers Renault and Peugeot allowed both to reduce manufacturing costs, enabling over 5,000 new personnel to be recruited and trained for the former enterprise and 2,000 for the latter (247).

manufacturing robots have historically resulted in higher employment in france and germany where they are very popular and the chinese are discovering the same

marissa wrote:

oaky wrote:one of the insurmountable barriers here is the fact that the cost to manufacture those robots is pretty steep and you cant just make the materials themselves significantly cheaper

Modify them at the molecular level. Scientists, for example, are studying cheap things like spider silk to make material stronger than even Kevlar

you dont just 'modify them at the molecular level' to make the materials cheaper

aramid fibers arent even close to the strongest man-made fibers in terms of tensile strength either

oaky wrote:

marissa wrote:

oaky wrote:one of the insurmountable barriers here is the fact that the cost to manufacture those robots is pretty steep and you cant just make the materials themselves significantly cheaper

Modify them at the molecular level. Scientists, for example, are studying cheap things like spider silk to make material stronger than even Kevlar

you dont just 'modify them at the molecular level' to make the materials cheaper

aramid fibers arent even close to the strongest man-made fibers in terms of tensile strength either

Yes you do. Polymers are becoming very big.

It's already easy to find alkenes (double bonded carbon atoms) in nature, and its even easier to put reagents into the mixtures to make repetitive polymers for industrial uses. A material can be just pure repetitions of polymers over and over, not necessarily a mixture of different compounds and molecules.

you know, all of those crazy backwoods farmers just investing in farming robots made out of spider silk

marissa wrote:

viubladan wrote:

marissa wrote:

viubladan wrote:yes but you have to also consider that robotic farmers probably are not cheap and many people will be unable to afford the initial costs

Manufacturing and maintenance won't be cheap initially, so therefore trying to find cheaper materials and energy sources will be the next step in automated workers.

you seem to think that there is a way to mass produce the things required to build a robotic farmer in a way that is also cheap and also efficient enough to support the demand

I'm not an expert in nanoscience or material science, but I'm sure one of the topics in those fields is cheap and easy production of durable materials.

you can't really have 'cheap and easy' production of 'durable' materials that aren't basically what already exists

marissa wrote:

oaky wrote:

marissa wrote:

oaky wrote:one of the insurmountable barriers here is the fact that the cost to manufacture those robots is pretty steep and you cant just make the materials themselves significantly cheaper

Modify them at the molecular level. Scientists, for example, are studying cheap things like spider silk to make material stronger than even Kevlar

you dont just 'modify them at the molecular level' to make the materials cheaper

aramid fibers arent even close to the strongest man-made fibers in terms of tensile strength either

Yes you do. Polymers are becoming very big.

It's already easy to find alkenes (double bonded carbon atoms) in nature, and its even easier to put reagents into the mixtures to make repetitive polymers for industrial uses.

polymers arent cheap unless you want to replace everything with shitty low density polyethylene or some other plastic

it isnt that plastics and ceramics can outperform traditional materials - its that they cant compete with price at all

marissa wrote:

oaky wrote:

marissa wrote:

oaky wrote:one of the insurmountable barriers here is the fact that the cost to manufacture those robots is pretty steep and you cant just make the materials themselves significantly cheaper

Modify them at the molecular level. Scientists, for example, are studying cheap things like spider silk to make material stronger than even Kevlar

you dont just 'modify them at the molecular level' to make the materials cheaper

aramid fibers arent even close to the strongest man-made fibers in terms of tensile strength either

Yes you do. Polymers are becoming very big.

It's already easy to find alkenes (double bonded carbon atoms) in nature, and its even easier to put reagents into the mixtures to make repetitive polymers for industrial uses. A material can be just pure repetitions of polymers over and over, not necessarily a mixture of different compounds and molecules.

you think those polymers are cheaper and more durable than a ton of steel that can be bought for less than $200 a ton?

oaky wrote:

marissa wrote:

oaky wrote:

marissa wrote:

oaky wrote:one of the insurmountable barriers here is the fact that the cost to manufacture those robots is pretty steep and you cant just make the materials themselves significantly cheaper

Modify them at the molecular level. Scientists, for example, are studying cheap things like spider silk to make material stronger than even Kevlar

you dont just 'modify them at the molecular level' to make the materials cheaper

aramid fibers arent even close to the strongest man-made fibers in terms of tensile strength either

Yes you do. Polymers are becoming very big.

It's already easy to find alkenes (double bonded carbon atoms) in nature, and its even easier to put reagents into the mixtures to make repetitive polymers for industrial uses.

polymers arent cheap unless you want to replace everything with shitty low density polyethylene or some other plastic

That's why chemists and material scientists find better reagents to use. In organic chemistry, some reactions that previously needed expensive stuff like silver (ex. Tollen's reagents for oxidation of sugars) but were replaced with cheaper stuff like copper.

marissa wrote:

oaky wrote:

marissa wrote:

oaky wrote:

marissa wrote:

oaky wrote:one of the insurmountable barriers here is the fact that the cost to manufacture those robots is pretty steep and you cant just make the materials themselves significantly cheaper

Modify them at the molecular level. Scientists, for example, are studying cheap things like spider silk to make material stronger than even Kevlar

you dont just 'modify them at the molecular level' to make the materials cheaper

aramid fibers arent even close to the strongest man-made fibers in terms of tensile strength either

Yes you do. Polymers are becoming very big.

It's already easy to find alkenes (double bonded carbon atoms) in nature, and its even easier to put reagents into the mixtures to make repetitive polymers for industrial uses.

polymers arent cheap unless you want to replace everything with shitty low density polyethylene or some other plastic

That's why chemists and material scientists find better reagents to use. In organic chemistry, some reactions that previously needed expensive stuff like silver (ex. Tollen's reagents for oxidation of sugars) but were replaced with cheaper stuff like copper.

i can think of very few situations where a high-performing material was replaced with a cheaper, higher-performing material

kevlar, uhmwpe, spinel, ceramics, and ceramic-matrix composites are all usually better than steel for armor applications but theyre all SIGNIFICANTLY more expensive

again @ goyimfriend
your 'cheap and easy' manufacturing materials basically already exist; you cannot get much more bang for your buck than you can with steel

there have been cheaper materials that have had ATTEMPTS at being used to replace tried-and-true materials like steel, like nylon, but ballistic nylon was a horrific failure