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Post by salty January 17th 2017, 3:25 pm

Poll aggregate on RCP was very close to the popular vote
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Post by Zilchexo January 17th 2017, 4:10 pm

Congo Jack wrote:Yeah its cnn their polls are biased as shit and they've spent the last year on a crusade against trump wye
You can't think polls, especially ones like this, account for most of the nation's view on him
I've used this statement before here and I'll use it again, there's an unaccounted silent majority that doesn't give a fuck about and are neither contacted to take polls for things like this and are more busy with their own life than going out of their way to take a poll they didn't know exist
Plus am I mistaken or was it not CNN who confidently declared Clinton had a fucking 90+% chance of winning
I don't think CNN are in a real good place to be doing any forecasting rn
this is true but it still gets the idea across that not many people are really peachy about trump
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Post by Mac B January 17th 2017, 4:56 pm

Maybe a lot of people aren't, but I'm still not going to take it as 100% accountable
No one I know's really flipped on him or doubted him lately, and he won about half the nation
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Post by alyaza January 17th 2017, 5:20 pm

Congo Jack wrote:Maybe a lot of people aren't, but I'm still not going to take it as 100% accountable
No one I know's really flipped on him or doubted him lately, and he won about half the nation
he won maybe 22% of the nation tops
voter turnout on average is only about 54% of eligible voters or so and a majority of people in the US either do not vote or cannot vote
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Post by Zilchexo January 17th 2017, 5:34 pm

yeah i guarantee you 90% of people who didn't vote hate trump's guts or don't give a molecule of shit
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Post by Mac B January 17th 2017, 5:54 pm

yes, is that of "people elligible to vote" or "people that didn't vote including those who cannot"
either way thats a fuckin abrasive statement
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Post by george lucas January 17th 2017, 6:57 pm

Congo Jack wrote:Yeah its cnn their polls are biased as shit and they've spent the last year on a crusade against trump wye
You can't think polls, especially ones like this, account for most of the nation's view on him
I've used this statement before here and I'll use it again, there's an unaccounted silent majority that doesn't give a fuck about and are neither contacted to take polls for things like this and are more busy with their own life than going out of their way to take a poll they didn't know exist
Plus am I mistaken or was it not CNN who confidently declared Clinton had a fucking 90+% chance of winning
I don't think CNN are in a real good place to be doing any forecasting rn
NBC agrees with a separate poll
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/trump-enters-office-historically-low-rating-n708071
i don't like CNN but like fox news they're not always wrong about everything

oh and the washington post/ABC
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-trump-draws-low-marks-for-transition-response-to-russian-hacking/2017/01/17/0926302a-dc25-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html
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Post by Mac B January 17th 2017, 7:30 pm

Congo Jack wrote:You can't think polls . . . account for most of the nation's view on him
I've used this statement before here and I'll use it again, there's an unaccounted silent majority that doesn't give a fuck about and are neither contacted to take polls for things like this and are more busy with their own life than going out of their way to take a poll they didn't know exist
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Post by alyaza January 17th 2017, 7:38 pm

the polls weren't wrong though

hillary won the popular vote by 2%, which was only a bit lower than what they were predicting on the final day of polls. the punditry on the other hand got it generally wrong because people thought hillary was going to win it handily based on those polls
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Post by alyaza January 17th 2017, 7:42 pm

in fact, the polls were actually more accurate this year than they were in 2012, based on the final popular vote results

they were predicting a margin of 0.7 points on average in polling and obama won by 4, while the general margins they were predicting this time were between 2 and 4 points in favor of hillary

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Post by Mac B January 17th 2017, 7:43 pm

rt wrote:the polls weren't wrong though
. . .hillary won the popular vote by 2%, which was only a bit lower than what they were predicting
thats still factually wrong
plus it was on election day that cnn released that 90% chance shit
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Post by george lucas January 17th 2017, 7:45 pm

i seriously doubt the uncounted people make up another 30-40%. point still stands that trump is scoring low in this category compared to other presidents in the past ~40 years
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Post by george lucas January 17th 2017, 7:46 pm

the new york times had HRC winning by 90%+ before the polls closed
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Post by george lucas January 17th 2017, 7:48 pm

i really hope trump doesnt do as bad of a job as brownback and then people go around saying the polls are all faked if they come out negative because let me tell you nobody in kansas likes brownback theres no faking that
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Post by Mac B January 17th 2017, 7:49 pm

george lucas wrote:i seriously doubt the uncounted people make up another 30-40%. point still stands that trump is scoring low in this category compared to other presidents in the past ~40 years
im not saying how the uncounted people would sway it but it's fuckin retarded to push them under the rug like that (like you just did )
my point still stands that these polls arent conclusive
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Post by alyaza January 17th 2017, 7:49 pm

Congo Jack wrote:
rt wrote:the polls weren't wrong though
. . .hillary won the popular vote by 2%, which was only a bit lower than what they were predicting
thats still factually wrong
plus it was on election day that cnn released that 90% chance shit
none of it is
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also that 90% chance? that's punditry not polling, and based on what they had the punditry was forecasting the only seemingly logical outcome
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Post by alyaza January 18th 2017, 6:23 pm

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2,000 GM workers to lose jobs on Trump Inauguration Day

Robert Sheridan is a 40-year-old GM worker who voted for Donald Trump. He can barely contain his excitement about Inauguration Day, even though it will be a rough day for him on a personal level.

He's one of 2,000 GM factory workers losing their jobs on Friday, the same day that Trump will be sworn in as the 45th president.
Sheridan -- and thousands like him -- are desperately hoping Trump will save their jobs.

"Please help us in Lordstown," says Sheridan, a soft-spoken Midwesterner with three kids. "This is a great middle class job. You can't find one better around here."

These are GM's first layoffs in six years. About 1,200 workers in Lordstown, Ohio (where Sheridan works) are getting the ax and another 800 in Lansing, Michigan -- both key states that led to Trump's victory. Given the vote totals, many of these workers likely voted for Trump, breaking ranks with the United Automobile Workers union that backed Hillary Clinton.

Trump appeared to hear their outcry. In early January, he slammed GM in a tweet.

"General Motors is sending Mexican made model of Chevy Cruze to U.S. car dealers-tax free across border," Trump tweeted.

"Trump's tweet really gave us hope," Sheridan says. He's worked at GM (GM) for seven years and makes $25 an hour installing brake lines. It's the kind of pay that finally allowed him to buy a house and decent sports equipment for his kids. Other factories in the area pay only $9 to $12 an hour.

This week, Trump did a U-turn and thanked GM. The car giant announced Tuesday it would invest heavily in the U.S., generating about 2,000 "new and retained" factory jobs in the coming years. Trump cited it as another example of how he's delivering "big stuff" for America, although GM said the plans had been in the works for awhile.

But that doesn't help workers in Lordstown and Lansing. Those 2,000 workers are still losing their jobs now, GM confirmed. On top of that, another 1,300 factory workers in Detroit are scheduled to get the ax in March.

It's another blow to America's Rust Belt.

"This county has been going downhill, slowly," John Fowler, a retired GM worker, lamented as he gazed out of the McDonald's window in Warren, the town next to Lordstown. The region is about an hour's drive from Pittsburgh or Cleveland.
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Post by alyaza January 18th 2017, 6:25 pm

it's going to be a tough 4 years for all these dudes who voted for trump anticipating their jobs would be saved, only to get axed because trump can't stop automation nor can he stop jobs from going overseas
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Post by tsuyu asui January 18th 2017, 6:50 pm

trumps gonna kill us all LMAO
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Post by tsuyu asui January 18th 2017, 6:51 pm

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Post by the 4th disciple January 18th 2017, 7:13 pm

he'll only kill jap lovers
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Post by Mac B January 18th 2017, 7:46 pm

yeah it's not like teddy roosevelt changed the job market by regulating work or anything
tbh rt if you dont think the man with the most powerful office in the world cant keep american jobs in america then you dumb as shit

tfw you LET THE MACHINES REPLACE THE WORKERS!!!!
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Post by alyaza January 18th 2017, 8:25 pm

Congo Jack wrote:yeah it's not like teddy roosevelt changed the job market by regulating work or anything
tbh rt if you dont think the man with the most powerful office in the world cant keep american jobs in america then you dumb as shit

tfw you LET THE MACHINES REPLACE THE WORKERS!!!!
the only way to keep american jobs in america would fuck every other part of america over
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Post by Mac B January 18th 2017, 9:00 pm

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Post by Mac B January 18th 2017, 9:01 pm

rt supports inferior chinese production
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