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Post by Mac B October 19th 2016, 3:51 pm

listen fd im sorry you like to label my legitimate points as personal attacks and psychic vandalism or whatever but after ive given my stance several times and you don't acknowledge it then there's really no reason to keep repeating it. if you want beef keep it out of, you know, every thread in this subforum instead of contributing
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Post by george lucas October 19th 2016, 7:55 pm

Flamdini wrote:HOLY FUCKING SHIT AUTODESK MAYA CAN YOU NOT GO TWO FUCKING MINUTES WITHOUT DOING SOMETHING FUCKING STUPID THAT MAKES ME WANT TO SHOOT MYSELF? LIKE FOR EXAMPLE WHY CAN'T YOU LET ME UNDO EXTRACTING SOMETHING? CTRL Z DOESNT GET RID OF THE HISTORY NODE THING YOU LEAVE SO WHATS THE FUCKIN POINT YOU PIECE OF SHIT? GOD FUCKING DAMN IT IVE WASTED TWO WHOLE HOURS UNDOING SHIT BECAUSE EVERY TIME I MAKE PROGRESS I DISCOVER SOMETHING THAT ACCIDENTALLY GOT FUCKED UP 15 MINS AGO SO I HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SAVE AND START OVER. FUCK YOU
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Post by george lucas October 19th 2016, 8:00 pm

Flamdini wrote:i thought it was a legendary rant
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Post by Mac B October 19th 2016, 8:36 pm

it is now x general plus why communism is right and never been tried
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Post by Total "Chad" October 20th 2016, 4:01 am

Um guise how come Putin won't use my government system even though I have the credentials!!! (Fursecuted Mexican of the year award)
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Post by him October 20th 2016, 10:50 am

um saorry u guys get TRIGGERED BY FACTS!!!
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Post by Zilchexo October 20th 2016, 2:52 pm

Congo Jack wrote:listen fd im sorry you like to label my legitimate points as personal attacks and psychic vandalism or whatever but after ive given my stance several times and you don't acknowledge it then there's really no reason to keep repeating it. if you want beef keep it out of, you know, every thread in this subforum instead of contributing
"ur DISRESPECTING AMERICA" is a feeling, not an argument, just like every other non-argument you made
no beef that's just how it is
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Post by the 4th disciple October 20th 2016, 3:27 pm

no it's a fact
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Post by Total "Chad" October 20th 2016, 3:42 pm

america is the greatest country in the world no other comes close it's a fact
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Post by Mac B October 20th 2016, 3:44 pm

Flamdini wrote:
Congo Jack wrote:listen fd im sorry you like to label my legitimate points as personal attacks and psychic vandalism or whatever but after ive given my stance several times and you don't acknowledge it then there's really no reason to keep repeating it. if you want beef keep it out of, you know, every thread in this subforum instead of contributing
"ur DISRESPECTING AMERICA" is a feeling, not an argument, just like every other non-argument you made
no beef that's just how it is
That's not my argument at all dumbass. If you'd take the time to read it instead of assuming everything that comes out of my FILTHY CAPITALIST CONSERVATIVE MOUTH is LE WRONG SHEEPLE and stopped acting like a fuckin baby, we wouldn't be having this discussion
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Post by Mac B October 20th 2016, 4:07 pm

HERE'S MY CONTRIBUTION TO THIS THREAD


gay posts like this especially this bit is why i feel slightly uncomfortable with the porta reko meme even now because concentration camps and nuclear annihilation are both real things that have actually happened and the former of which wouldn't be far from the us to do to puerto rico and are just a really try hard attempt to be edgy while failing to be so ridiculously edgy that it's comic and instead inhabit an uncanny valley. for another example see the lyrics to any retard strength song
at least do your research for your spergouts you fucking tard
either stop being such a mouthbreathing tryhard or kill yourself mr. wingate lung pancreas liver kidneys and intestine i can make edgy and unfunny jokes that everyone is expected to laugh at because they're labeled "joke"
(auithors notel: the op of that thread wasn't funny but the rest of the thread was pretty funny)
when you laugh about actual issues that tends to seem like you're trying to be edgy to piss someone off. sorry. if we were talking about bombing florida or texas it'd be different because they're not under an active existential threat
there are people actually saying this though even though it's all wrong and my dad is actually one of them so consider me 'triggered' because i got sick of hearing that talk it's almost as bad as the idiots who talk to floridans and decide puerto rico wants statehood like no shit floridan puerto ricans who went to puerto rico one summer and drank beer at the beaches think statehood would be best for the people actually living there
there's no difference sorry the reason the "pout harmebe on prtrckr," memes are funny is because they're so abstracted like how "hitler did nothing wrong" is totally different from "the auschwitz showerheads had 12 holes because jews have 10 fingers"
you know what would be really funny if the cops broke into dogman's house right now and shot him and his family for "resisting arrest" ha ha shits and giggles pranks and jests
case in point the only difference is that flade's post was ostensibly good natured and mine wasn't it's still the same deal
wow did you think of that by yourself i bet it was hard what with 90% of your mental capacities being devoted to animay cumsock pornos
this isn't a stereotype
i live in spictopia and i've never heard the idea that spics are racist or particularly care about american foreign policy
of course it's not but that's completely besides the point, you got a little peeved because it crossed lines that should not be crossed and didn't make up for it by being funny at all it was a low effort joke and furthermore the person who made it was quite possibly trying to piss you off and it's generally something that people don't like to joke about because it's too close to home
once it was established that the post wasn't being made to offend me i adopted more of a "ok well you shouldn't joke about that kind of thing in the first place because it's not the kind of thing people associate with being funny" stance which is what you took earlier when you called it edgy
while i'm at it i'll clarify that some of my kneejerk responses to things like this come from this dipshit called colin who lived his entire life ironically and spent most of his time spouting crappy "joke" disses at people particularly me that were just enough joke to get away with it but obviously mean-spirited when repeated even when nobody laughed he taught me irony has limits and so does teasing
says He while whittling his days away typing "nigerian" into text boxes
so i proved my point and you agree that i'm right on this one
you spent 4+ pages jacking off onto anime and japan all i did was try to convince oaky and others to give it a shot at least before criticizing it or shut the fuck up
i know it was sarcasm my response still applies
yeah you admitted it right there that you got peeved which completes my argument
how would i actively embarrass myself on forums i never interacted with
and hey guess what unlike a lot of people here i've done a lot of growing up in the time frame of almost 4 years you on the other hand well i don't know how you acted on otb but i can't imagine it was any more embarrassing and infantile than your one man hate crusade against me so people can overlook how poor of a fit you are for the community other than mutual edginess (no, i'd argue your edginess even surpasses theirs!) and photoshop your sense of humor is different you don't have a history here but that's ok here on otthunderdome we at least try not to be little babies who exclude people for being different and some of our best posters came here that way like magi and tipsy i question what you're doing here but hey that's your choice so is being really fucking aggressive to me as soon as i got here for reasons i don't understand that are probably all to do with you and not me but what i want to know really is how you know so much about me (or feign to so you can justify your "Sad!" little tantrums)? did you just lurk all this time? wiki? gleamed information from conversations?
but yeah there's a cool guy underneath a lot of bullshit somewhere inside you stop being a petty obnoxious fuck and introduce us to him i'm sick of being antagonized and antagonizing you i think you're salvageable unlike diseased but we'll just have to see won't we.
(also "you spent 4+ pages" is figurative you didn't actually jack off in the thread)
but would you have been if someone was actually for real joking about it possibly with the knowledge that it might bother you or the intent to do so? i at least don't like getting singled out and that was a large part of my reaction
thanks for not understanding the conversation we were having
is this the hill you've chosen for your argument to die on? when was even the last time i used that? the hiv negative post? jeez dude that's not what this argument is about
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the difference is that the us now perpetrates it
how many times do i have to tell you we don't want to be a state even with 64+ years of american business interest shilling
uh yeah dude we've repeatedly voted not to be a state like 5 times we don't want to be a tick on america's back we want a slow and cooperative separation with two new states that are freely associated under one military the us already has this agreement with sevral pacific islands
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh you know i kind of doubt that considering we only ran up this debt because of our triple tax exemption with the united states if it weren't for that debt we would run our own shit just fine like 90% of the other countries in the caribbean do and actually if we form a new constitution and separate we wouldn't have to deal with the debt because we'd be a new legal entity
yeah they were colonies and now they're colonists what's your point
"ruskies therefore false"
if anything i hope oaky is voting for hillary if he's going to blame russia
o i am laffin
we're literally not allowed to i imagine the next status poll will probably be the final one since the consensus is that the status quo is illegal so it won't be there to vote split so when it's held and we vote to secede it's actually non-binding and worthless unless congress makes it binding and either way that's the congress we don't get a vote in resolving and even if it's binding congress can still say "fuck you" and once again making it binding in the first place is congress' call
i think the idea that puerto rico should be must be or wants to be part of america rests on a lack of information on the situation
if you go to puerto rico and talk to puerto ricans you'll quickly find puerto ricans see puerto rico and the us as close together but separate
he was just giving me the shits but that's what he was effectively saying by ignoring my argument
"all the benefits" LMAO and yeah something like 40% of the population favors statehood but they're a plurality and not a majority
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try reading the article if you include votes made in protest against the way the poll was designed to favor statehood it's more like 45% statehood also statehood is the conservative opinion
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"let me just explain your own country to you" and i guarantee you that 45% has gone down drastically with america's political situation and PROMESA
that referendum was the fourth (4th) time the pnp has organized one of their gay ass polls and surprise surprise statehood lost again because people don't want it and i'm sick of washington post and new york times "sympathizing" with puerto rico's "quest for statehood"
i actually was i dont know where he got that
like i said it was mostly a strategic vote, given the way the political arena has shifted in the past 4 years there would be no first question and the second question would either stay the same or not have independence on it. also free association is essentially independence, it's sovereignty which is independence in all aspects except military and funding grants 1/3 the size of what america pays now, (the yousgub gives us less money per person than states like new mexico and mississippi that also have a deficit and the main reason we have a deficit is because we're mostly untaxed, in fact if we were taxed like states by my estimates we'd have a surplus) and it's what i advocate for and most independentists are chill with it too and even without adding them in i'm pretty sure the share of the vote would be 50%+ or close
i could dig it up if you want i think my dad has a copy (but lol fuck that) but here's some details. i was born march 21, 2000 in hospital español auxilio mutuo, san juan, i moved to the united states late september of 2002, and went to puerto rico every summer following that for 2-6 weeks, lived there for about two months at one point while we were moving houses and another year while my parents' relationship was deteriorating. i think that's about 30% of my life spent in puerto rico. it's worth noting my mom agreed to move to texas on the condition that if/when he lost his job there we'd move back to puerto rico which didn't happen so we've really been here against our will for like 8 years. i'll just blur it if i do ever get it
nah brah i tell people at school i'm puerto rican all the time particularly when i'm explaining why i don't stand for the pledge
also for people who still think puerto ricans are "essentially american" my mom says stuff like "i don't understand this american concept" all the time
that's only part of the reason let me delineate my entire argument
it's a waste of time
i don't want to swear allegiance to something that is immaterial and only exists as long as people act like it does especially when it's code for "i won't do anything the government doesn't like" especially something that doesn't necessarily have my interests in mind
i feel no connection to american culture or the american nation itself
i don't like the cold war origins of the popularization of the pledge of allegiance and the "under god" clause
puerto rico couldn't fly its own flag for 4 straight years and doing it in certain ways can still be considered terrorism and that double standard needs to be arranged
(also tl;dr of the above) i'll be much hastier to pray to the rag (whose flag code is violated constantly) if/when america gets its shit together and i feel like i can honestly endorse it
the sad thing is it's obvious at this point that you really think this
britain also sent money to america what's your point?
taxation without representation y'all; puerto ricans do pay some federal taxes just not most just like there were only a handful of taxes on america
people fought and died for the nazi regime and hitler and goebbels were still lunatic scumbags
it's cute that you would think that because that's exactly the idea thanks for having no idea of the circumstances that caused the pledge of allegiance to be adopted in the 30s and 40s (hint it was the first red scare)
that's all fine and good i understand the sentimental value in culture in general as well as all the american "sitting on hay bales watching fireworks on independence day" feels i just have always felt like a spectator and guest because i don't share america's values or history
i believe the first amendment protects me from standing for the pledge and the fact that many schools don't is enough of a concern for me to protest that by itself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gag_Law_(Puerto_Rico) https://waragainstallpuertoricans.com/2016/10/03/man-arrested-for-raising-a-puerto-rican-flag-in-puerto-rico-in-front-of-20000-people/ also turns out it was 9 years not 4
i'll come over to your team once it stops cheating
you actually believe this don't you thanks for missing the point though because my point was if you assume your cause is just and soldiers die for a good mission you'll be willing to do things that shouldn't be done in the name of your "just cause" you're basically begging your question here by presupposing that america has "just causes" when that's exactly what's being disputed one of the reasons i don't pledge is because i don't like america's ways of achieving its goals and obvious mixing of these goals with other pursuits like foreign relations and oil and you're going "how dare u do that for those reasons because (counterpoint to reason)"
it's not my country and they make non-citizens and non-residents do the pledge too you know the pledge was written for schools right you really think that's what they were concerned over when they started adopting the pledge is children not taking enough pride in their country
i understand american culture because i'm immersed in it not because i'm a member of it. if you dunked me into a tank of water for over a decade i'd get a pretty good feel for water and i'd get pretty wet myself but i'd still not be water. hot dogs and hamburgers aren't "mine" and christmas carols aren't "mine" because my mother raised me like a puerto rican and we only had those things outside the house
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony
thanks for having no idea of the difference between leninist democratic centralism and communism hint one is a policy doctrine and the other is an ideology and the utopian society it advocates
lol what rights 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th and 10th amendments and a princeton study called america an oligarchy
HAHA yeah dude you asked for evidence that flying the american flag was illegal for 9 years and i provided it
puerto rico has never been given the capacity to commit great crimes so i don't know what your point is unless you're saying puerto rico is being mene to the united states
ultimately at the heart of your state fetishist ideology is naivete. i will say that i admire american emphasis on Freedumbs but i've seen far too many americans unable to separate their form of government from their way of life or their actual form of government from how their government is supposed to work which is sad and i don't mean "Sad!" i mean actually sad because how it's supposed to work is you're supposed to keep a figurative loaded gun pointed at your government's head to ensure it does what it says it'll do and replace it/protest/whatever if it fails to. too much faith in it is asking to be bumfucked and by the time that happens you'll probably enjoy it
i'd be pretty upset ngl but once it's inevitably an administrative disaster for government and business alike and people are asking to secede i'd be like "told you so" not to mention it takes away puerto rico's tax haven status without doing much else to help its economysame i do stand for the national anthem because nothing about "there was a war of independence against imperialism, tyranny and taxation without representation which we won" i've even gotten a little emotional before just like anyone else because i'm in agreement that this country was founded on noble principles the only thing i disagree on is if it has adhered to them and if the founders had the best idea on what form of government would best achieve these noble principles (i mean they already fucked up once before the constituion i don't know why we act like the constitution is perfect)
i'd like to think my interests are pretty similar to everyone else's- "live and let live", "minimize suffering" and "maximize happiness"lol my school doesn't think so which is 80% of why i do itthe difference is that you couldn't find puerto rico on a map and i've lived here most of my lifewow thanks for explaining my own posts to me really needed that
i already retracted "most" dude i was just angry
it's not e-pride it's just discussion i think i'm right and am willing to try and prove it
that's a theory, "america has bad foreign policy" is an opinion, "america has hypocritical foreign policy based on mistruths" is a fact
both "nuh-uh" 4 seconds" lol they make us do an idiotic "moment of silence" that takes like 15 seconds plus the pledge plus the texas pledge that's all like 30 seconds and then the morning announcements go on another minute we're supposed to stand through all of this and classes are only 50 minutes long
if the government doesn't want you to do it it's illegal lol but if you've been paying attention the cops can decide flying the puerto rican flag in puerto rico is illegal whenever they want now
no, no, i don't "hate america" because "america" barely even exists and i certainly don't hate american culture (some political viewpoints common in america sure), no, yes, yes i don't want to stand and pray to a flag every fucking day. shit gets boring. if jehovah's witnesses don't have to do it i don't either i think i'd be pissed if my parents made me go to church but when my dad went to church my sleep schedule was whack and i don't go to my mom's church because of ptsd but if i didn't want to go to church and my parents made me go to church i'd be platinum mad you shouldn't do that
actually the only reason i even complain about it is specifically because my school won't acknowledge my right i literally just said "you know what i don't feel like standing for the pledge" to myself and stayed seated and the teacher wrote me the fuck up and i actually got 3 days of iss shit was the opposite of so cash otherwise i wouldn't talk about it at all because it wouldn't affect me one way or the other
lol uh yeah i have several reasons why not to stand for the pledge exhaustion after hauling my ass from class to class with a 30 pound ass backpack is just one of them thanks for not reading anything
i'm not lucky at all so you can shut the fuck up
try hustling for 5 minutes with a 30 pound backpack and asthma just to stand for a minute and thirty seconds while everyone around you puts their hands on their heart like some namby pamby sentimentalist idol worshippers plus i have flat feet and it hurts to stand (but walking is fine)
yes it is true and it's because of our colonial government that was just one example of things that really shouldn't be crimes but are another is alerting the presses of fucked up shit the government is doing behind our backs
i already made my empirical case for why america's foreign policy is hypocritical and dishonest and there hasn't been any attempts to knock it down from its high chair of logic so until proven otherwise it's true
5% victory odds is some fuckin lottery what is it with this meme that still exists that the united states has it better than any other country we have it worse than the entire eurozone scandinavia and japan in extremely fundamental ways that even latin america often has a leg up on us on i'd argue ro-ja-va has better living conditions than america unless you really need 12 deodorant brands and 500 cable networks i want nothing to do with this country's foreign policy its international identity its capitalist 'prosperity' and i don't even feel like a part of its culture i'm legitimately wracking my brain here and out of all the reasons people say they're proud to be an american out of the ones i care about i can think of media, infrastructure, and hypothetical opportunity that for the average citizen isn't there, unless you're one of those people that puts all the historical achievements in there as well because yay tribalism
"you should be happy you're getting bumraped a lot of people can't get laid you know"
this would be so much easier if you guys would just agree to disagree because you could go back to your shit-tier ideology-clouded mental state where i'm just a commie spouting HurtWords and i could go back to knowing i'm right and everyone's happy
i just want to laugh at charles wingate and link fucked up videos
i know it's what you said but the sad thing is you actually believe it that my friend is ideology at work
neither have any conservative scholars apparently because the question of america's foreign policy is one where the left has been on top of the discourse since before the cold war started because every time america enacts its own foreign policy something gets fucked up which sounds like a systemic problem to me not to mention that even conservative scholars will acknowledge the "america fights to defend freedom abroad" is a meme and that countries end up worse almost 10 times out of 10
R to the O to the R my mother was puerto rican and i spent all day at home with her for the first 4 years of my life you obviously have no idea how this works
i no longer have a smartphone the 1st amendment is meaningless everyone has a school and oh wow i have an internet connection i'm so blessed just like 22% of the world i would like to thank the fucking academy for ignoring much more pressing issues in my life than luxuries why do cuckservatives always pull this "lottery of life" bullshit to explain why they're happy to work for $7.25 an hour for a sexual abuser who himself works for an international monopoly that brutalizes animals workers and kids in africa in its day to day operations it's so extra
do you do that every day
HAHAHAHAH fitness makes asthma go away that's the best thing i've ever heard NO BITCH it's an inflammation sometimes it goes away on its own after a period of not having many asthma attacks or whatever but fitness will just make your lungs stronger with a much worse difficulty curve than otherwise not to mention a lot of types of aerobic exercise are bad ideas for asthmatics like running also i apparently have some sort of back issue now which i'm getting an appointment for on tuesday though i imagine it's just an injury from when my dad came into my mom's house though it could be much worse and then there's my flat feet
YOU and other people are the ones constantly bitching about my Problematic viewpoints that i have to discontinue because they're Problematic not because they're wrong but because you disagree with them
that's not what i said but ok
lol i went to a christian private for three years i definitely remember how they run stuff my mom teaches at one right now and i actually got iss (which the school didn't even actually have so i just sat in the pastor's office with one of those desk blockers doing work and every so often he'd ask me if i wanted anything) for asking the teacher if we really needed to practice john 14 again because i thought we probably all had it memorized at that point and i didn't like doing it every day and because of poor communication she thought i was trying to say that the passage wasn't worth memorizing (it wasn't)
"just saying but if you do anything but vote multiple times for hillary clinton this year you're helping a nazi just saying"
the last time anybody died to defend the first amendment NOT at the hands of the government (since it's nearly always being threatened by guess who the government) was probably 1812 or maybe wwii generously no Darren McCarthy got his leg blown off because muzzies want to invade america and take away the first amendment
actually no because i don't live in a i've gotten zero shit for it from students and some praise but most people just ignore me like what really should be done
isis' goal is in fact world domination but the question is whether they're a real threat (to america)- the answer is no and even if we did want to get involved now we have no horse in the race. soldiers on the ground is a horrible idea not just for the potential loss of life but the political turmoil it would cause in the middle east again which isis would capitalize on, the fsa is almost as bad as isis and iraq is almost as bad as the fsa. the way forward is to get arab countries to take care of it (like, yes, iraq) because that's our best option but instead we're helping the fsa who do almost all the same shit
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Post by Tyson October 20th 2016, 4:16 pm

fd's book will be shorter than the shit paragraphs he spews on this site.
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Post by the 4th disciple October 20th 2016, 4:21 pm

i'm not readin all that
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Post by toby October 20th 2016, 4:22 pm

Don Staloni wrote:i'm not readin all that
it's just a cut and paste of a good portion of fd's ranting stuff
if you've seen one rant you've effectively seen them all
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Post by Zilchexo October 20th 2016, 6:09 pm

Congo Jack wrote:
Flamdini wrote:
Congo Jack wrote:listen fd im sorry you like to label my legitimate points as personal attacks and psychic vandalism or whatever but after ive given my stance several times and you don't acknowledge it then there's really no reason to keep repeating it. if you want beef keep it out of, you know, every thread in this subforum instead of contributing
"ur DISRESPECTING AMERICA" is a feeling, not an argument, just like every other non-argument you made
no beef that's just how it is
That's not my argument at all dumbass. If you'd take the time to read it instead of assuming everything that comes out of my FILTHY CAPITALIST CONSERVATIVE MOUTH is LE WRONG SHEEPLE and stopped acting like a fuckin baby, we wouldn't be having this discussion
uh yeah your argument is effectively "you shouldn't do that because i feel like you shouldn't now here's some empty rhetoric about why you should be proud of your country because countries are governments"
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Post by Zilchexo October 20th 2016, 6:11 pm

Tyson wrote:fd's book will be shorter than the shit paragraphs he spews on this site.
and my title page will have more text on it than the collection of good shit you've said. bless the pope
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Post by Mac B October 20th 2016, 6:19 pm

thats not true at all you completely miss my point
i guess i should expect that from you though

we've got some bad hombres in this post folks
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Post by toby October 20th 2016, 6:23 pm

fd is literally the baddest dude ever to roll up on otx
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Post by Zilchexo October 20th 2016, 6:28 pm

then state it yourself
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Post by Mac B October 20th 2016, 6:30 pm

you mean like you didn't state how it was bad, just that it was "factually bad"?
alright, I'll go back to the thread so you can stop waving your winkus where it doesn't belong and state it sonny
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Post by Total "Chad" October 20th 2016, 7:06 pm

fd is not a gun owner but he poppin off
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Fuckers in school telling me, always in the barber shop, Chief Keef ain't bout this, Chief Keef ain't bout that, my boy a BD on fucking Lamron and them... he, he they say that nigga don’t be putting in no work. SHUT THE FUCK UP! Y'all niggas ain’t know shit! All ya motherfuckers talk about Chief Keef ain’t no hitta, Chief Keef ain’t this, Chief Keef a fake, SHUT THE FUCK UP! Y'all don’t live with that nigga, y'all know that nigga got caught with a ratchet, shootin' at the police and shit. Nigga been on probation since fuckin, I don't know when! Motherfuckers stop fuckin' playin' him like that. Them niggas savages out there. If I catch another motherfucker talking sweet about Chief Keef I'm fucking beating they ass! I'm not fucking playing no more. You know those niggas roll with Lil' Reese and them.
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